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 The Biggest Lie: "Dave is alive"

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INSIDE THE INVESTIGATION WEEK FOUR Part 11: The Biggest Lie "Dave is alive"   

It was now Monday, week four since Dave's disappearance. I had a meeting scheduled later that day with CSIS, the Canadian Security Intelligence Agency to discuss Dave's disappearance in Cambodia.  Dave had done work for CSIS, advising on Khmer Rouge perpetrator fugitives infiltrating Canada hidden among Cambodian refugees pouring into the country during the 1980s. I was hoping on a long shot, that as their asset Dave had now gone missing in Cambodia that CSIS might have some information or additional resources to bring to bear on the investigation of his disappearance.  Although unlikely, it was not outside the realm of possibility that Dave's former work as a Khmer Rouge "hunter" in Canada might have bitten him on the ass upon his return to Cambodia.  Some Cambodian-Canadian refugees of the 1980s had re-established their presence in Cambodia in the 2000s.  Many former Khmer Rouge perpetrators not only returned to Cambodia, but rose to positions of wealth and power.  Many are currently in the senior ranks of the military and in the police. The current dictator prime minister of Cambodian Hun Sen is a former senior Pol Pot Khmer Rouge cadre commander who defected with his faction to Vietnam during the Pol Pot genocidal purges of his own party in the 1970s. And now Dave was raking over all that history of who did what in the genocide and where they were today with his proposed film about the Khmer Rouge era, The Poorest Man   

The previous week after our combined efforts to publically call on the Cambodians to begin taking Dave Walker's disappearance in Cambodia seriously, it seemed like they finally began to act.   At the end of the third week I had drawn up a long-term strategy plan in case Dave's disappearance was not readily resolved, but personality problems with one of the people investigating Dave's disappearance, Nate Thayer, sapped most of my time and focus during the week. That weekend Thayer lied to Tammy Madon, telling her that the Cambodian police were dropping the investigation because of the family statement that I had drafted and posted in the preceding week. [ See Page 12 and Page 13 ].  Not know what to think, Tammy briefly on Saturday cut communications with me.

We resumed our contact on Sunday night, preparing for what we felt was going to be a crucial upcoming fourth week.  On my advice, Tammy Madon retained an American attorney in Cambodia, Bradley Gordon, who had very persistently lobbied me on Facebook to be brought into the case free of charge, "pro bono." [See Page 9]

"You have violated all confidentiality agreements."  

That Monday morning I caught Nate Thayer in yet a second lie, that he had talked with Edmonton Police, when he actually had not.  On Sunday night, after Tammy called me and told me that Nate had "resigned from the investigation", I e-mailed him and Richard Ehrlich asking for information so as I could continue on looking for Dave if Thayer was going to stand down as he threatened to Tammy he was going to do.  The daunting thing about all this, was that we had no clue as to what happened to Dave and the possibility of him being held captive at this point was not outside the realm of reality. 

Nate Thayer's response was to claim that the Edmonton Police informed him that they are not the agency to forward information on Dave to, a  blatant barefaced lie from Thayer. This time, both Tammy Madon and I will catch Thayer lying.  As Thayer was claiming Edmonton Police were telling him one thing, both Tammy and I had the Edmonton Police Constable Jim Gurney on another line, telling us he had received a message for Thayer, but had not spoken with him yet.  Thayer was making things up as he was going along.

I was urging Thayer, for Dave's sake, to share his investigative data if not with me and Tammy, then at least with the Edmonton Police.

From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 10:19 PM
To: Nate Thayer
Cc: tammy ; richard ehrlich rituals in pagodas
Subject: Investigative Notes

Hi Nate and Richard:

Tammy tells me you had to call off the search for Dave. That is disappointing.

We are continuing to search for Dave and last night and today in Keswick’s Cambodian community I unearthed some major leads on our person of interest and his brother and family.
We are hoping the info will unfold into a paper trail leading back to Dave in Cambodia and we are very close to a break through here.

Can you and Richard kindly share and send Tammy and me your investigative notes and data.
You may have in your data the last piece of information we need to complete our lead to Dave.

For Dave’s sake, let’s not let our disagreements get in the way.

Regards and with sincere respect,

Peter Vronsky

From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:06 PM
To: Richard Ehrlich rituals in pagodas
Subject: Fw: Investigative Notes

Richard, Nate has called off his investigation and might have gone to bed as I am sure he is exhausted, while you might be up already.

We need soonest all the investigative data and notes you have. Phone logs, everything Sonny put together. Everything. Hold back nothing.

If you or Nate can add an assessment and analysis on top of the raw data, that will help.

I have been working the Keswick Cambodians where Dave and Sal Mao’s family had some real-estate deals. There are leads coming out of here to Cambodia and to Dave.

I need your info please. This is about finding Dave. It always has been. Not about egos. You might be holding a key to the missing link that will lead us to Dave.

Send Tammy and me everything you got as Nate has called off his investigation.

Have a heart

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Peter Vronsky wrote:

Nate – Richard

Do not do this. Have some heart and pity for Dave.

If you won’t send the info to Tammy and me, please, please send it to Edmonton Police Constable Jim.Gurney@edmontonpolice.ca

You might have the last piece necessary.
Do not withhold information from Edmonton Police.

Dave is not another Pol Pot in the jungle – this is not a news story but Dave’s life you are toying with.

Nate ThayerFrom: Nate Thayer
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:21 AM
To: Peter Vronsky
Subject: Re: Fw: Investigative Notes



Get a hold of yourself. The investigation is going forward despite your insistence to attempt to destroy the progress made.

All information is being coordinated with the proper authorities. That does not include you, who have a proven track record of directly causing damage.

I, as well, am informed by the Edmonton authorities that they are not--repeat not--the proper Canadian authorities to liaise with on this investigation.

You have provided exactly zero credible evidence to date over more than two weeks. You have violated all confidentiality agreements resulting in serious setbacks to the case and alerting key people undermining the investigation.

You are providing exactly no information or specifics of your claims of being "on a major breakthrough" etc etc. All your previous claims similar have proven not only false, but have damaged the actual progress made.

The authorities and serious professional investigators consider you a minor menace to solving Dave's case.

If you care about the resolution of this investigation more than you do with feeding and publicizing your own ego, then share the information you have with those who are officially in charge with the investigation.

You are causing great damage. But you already know that and don't care quite clearly.

There will be no more communication with you as you have proven untrustworthy, clueless of the facts on the ground, unwilling to cooperate with the proper investigators, and sabotaging any efforts that don't ensure Peter Vronsky's name in the public eye is more important than solving Dave's case. Please stand down immediately.

If you have information you think is relevant, which you have provided exactly none, please share it and I will see if gets to the appropriate authorities.

If you don', at least stop contacting those who are serious about solving this case. None of them see you as other than poison to making progress on Dave's status.

Quit wasting our time and diverting our energy to babysit your amateur sleuth efforts.

Nate Thayer

"Nate thinks Dave is alive and wants the bank records."

And now Thayer was telling a third lie, and this one was big and dangerous:  that he had discovered Dave was still alive and being held captive.  If  true, then I would need to immediately sit out from doing anything further; it would now be a very delicate negotiating issue in Cambodia on which Dave's life would hang by a thread and it would have to be completely handled by Nate Thayer if indeed he had successfully located Dave.  Even to second guess Thayer was potentially risking Dave's life.  It was a very powerful lie to lay on us.  What Nate was not telling us, was that this claim was coming from the same place we all had been getting our information on Dave's disappearance:  from Sonny Chhoun, his business partner. Thayer's pathological lying was now becoming visible to both myself and Tammy Madon.

Facebook Messages Monday March 3, 2014Tammy Madon

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon to Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:24pm EST

I spoke to Jim Gurney the Edmonton police. They are receiving calls from Cambodian police. I requested bank records. And Nate messaged me also wanting bank records. They think he is alive.

Peter Vronsky to Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:25pm EST

Wonderful. Nate thinks Dave is alive or Cambodian police and Edmonton police?

Peter Vronsky to Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:28pm EST

Because I just caught Nate in a lie. He said Edmonton police told him they are not the proper agency to send information to, but I have Jim Gurney on the other line, and he said Nate called him and left a message but he never returned Nate's call. Nate is lying.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon to Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:29pm EST

Yup Nate told me the same thing. And I also asked Jim if he knew Nate or heard from him. He said Nate sent him an email and left a message.

Yes Nate thinks Dave is alive and wants the bank records.

Peter Vronsky to Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:31pm EST

In the meantime, tell Nate that you will see what you can do. We will decide later today how to handle Nate. Whether he is crazy enough to find Dave or whether we should ice him. I keep thinking he should be left to run free. Ask him to forward all his information to Edmonton PD and in the meantime, once they get Nate's info, you will look into sending him what he asks.

If he forwards info to Edmonton PD, we can trust him. If he insists running this without Edmonton PD. We will have to think.

Peter Vronsky to Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:44pm EST

Ask Jim's advice on handling Nate too. I spoke with Jim and he read a few of Nate's e-mails. What does Jim advise. Whatever he says, do.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 2:56pm EST

Alright. The bank is going to let me know when I will receive the records

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 3:02pm EST

I just asked Nate too to please send his information to Jim at Edmonton PD -- because he (Nate) know what is happening on the ground and how critical it might be to saving Dave's life. I will be in and out next two hour as I go to CSIS -- but you can call me on my cell - xxx-xxx-xxxx. If you cannot reach me, call JIM for advice. Edmonton PD will know how to handle anything that comes up. God is with us.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 3:25pm EST

Asking Caitlin, Nate's friend to reason with him.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 4:04pm EST

Hi Peter. I just spoke to jim. He will call Nate right away.
I also asked nate to send what information he had to the local police and what ever he would do to help I appreciate.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 5:08pm EST

Wonderful. Let Edmonton PD handle him, and we can think through whether to let Nate run wild with advice from Jim, once Jim gets a sense of him. It's such a hard decision, because as I keep saying, Nate might be "crazy enough to find Dave."  And I told Jim the same thing.  I want to deploy every resource available for Dave, and if Nate can be helpful, including Nate.

Talked to CSIS. As I thought they listened more than talked... Will talk tonight when I get home and tomorrow I am free all day to do whatever needs to be done.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 5:56pm EST

Ok sounds good


All day long I had been trying to persuade and cajole Nate Thayer to share his information with Edmonton PD, if he actually had any to share. Finally I had to threaten Thayer with preferring charges against him for "withholding evidence"  and sending the Washington DC PD to him to collect the information if he was not going to share it with Edmonton PD.  Jim Gurney, however, warned me that this could only work perhaps as a bluff, because as long as this was not an official criminal investigation, Edmonton PD had no authority to demand from Thayer the information. He either would volunteer it or there was nothing they could do.  It was not "withholding evidence" until it becomes an official criminal investigation. Thayer finally relented at the end of the day and accepted a call from Jim Gurney.  I asked Gurney afterwards his take on Thayer and what to do with him.  After hearing what Gurney had to say I asked him to advise Tammy as how to best proceed with Nate Thayer and his claims if she was unable to reach me while I was meeting with CSIS. 

From: Nate Thayer
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:56 PM
To: Peter Vronsky
Subject: Re: Investigative Notes

Jim Gurney has my number. I have called him. The Edmonton police department tells me and many others they are not investigating Dave's case. I will no longer waste my time talking to you Vronsky. You are obsessed with yourself and have offered exactly zero information to this case to date. get a grip on your yourself. you are distracting from the real and effective efforts here. You have no credibility. If you want to put someone in touch with me who has some credibility, feel free to do so.

Stop wasting my time.

And threatening me with legal action because I refuse to deal with an amateur discredited sleuth who is insistant on making his personal agenda more important than the case? Please. Leave yourself out of this. You have no idea the damage you have and are doing now to solving Dave's case.

From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 3:24 PM
To: Nate Thayer
Subject: Re: Investigative Notes

Nate, why don’t you just fire off your data to Jim. He is very busy as you know what is under way. And then go do what you can do. I honestly believe you are crazy enough to find Dave and I will love you forever if you do. But just send Jim a copy of everything you have. I am sure if you need more stuff, we can share with you what you need to keep your end moving.

It is not about our two honking egos -- lets you and I work together for Dave right now. No threats, no nonsense, no past, no offenses, sorry I called you a cocksucker, etc..

And I advised Jim, that you are hard wired into Cambodia and are serious. Maybe he just can’t take or return your call this moment. Again: YOU KNOW WHAT is happening. You can imagine how everybody is trying to manage under crisis. Help us out as we are asking. Jim might be seriously tied up but he will get to you.

From: Jim Gurney
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:10 PM
To: 'Peter Vronsky'
Subject: RE: Investigative Notes

Thanks Peter,

I have been in contact with Nate THAYER and he is aware of the EPS’ role in the case. I will continue to liaise with Tammy MADON.

Cst. Jim Gurney
Edmonton Police Service
Missing Persons Unit
9620-103A Ave
Edmonton AB, T5H 0H7
Office (780) 421-2202
Fax (780) 421-2613

From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:26 PM
To: Nate Thayer
Subject: Re: Investigative Notes


The important thing is that you talked with Jim at Edmonton PD. You will do what you feel you need to do, and I have confidence you are acting on Dave’s behalf as we all are. I am feeding everything I have to Jim at Edmonton PD. Let’s stop wasting each other’s time with long e-mails and keep focused on Dave. Not need to respond to this.

As long as Jim has your data, I have no concern here. That was the only thing we were asking of you. Run free Nate. Go find Dave. I hope you will.

From: Peter Vronsky [mailto:info@petervronsky.com]
Sent: March 3, 2014 5:30
To: Jim Gurney
Subject: Fw: Investigative Notes
Importance: High

Jim, Tammy does not know what to do with this guy. He is crazy enough to find Dave – (he did find Pol Pot) – or he is going to kill Dave. It will be nothing in between.

He knows the same thing you know about Dave these hours. So his info from Cambodia is good.

He is asking Tammy [to] send him bank records for Dave – he is very deeply wired into Cambodia. I told Tammy to advise with you on what to do if she cannot get to me. For now she told him she is working on it.

From: Peter Vronsky
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:20 AM
To: Nate Thayer
Subject: Re: Investigative Notes


I don’t know how reliable this is but I heard from Siem Reap overnight that Sonny has been taken into protective custody.
You probably know more or better, but thought you should know. I cannot vouch for reliability of source.


PS: Also got this earlier in the night from same source:

“Have learnt here that fires have been lit under police due to pressure and that the military police are now very gungho.

They say they were first contacted by the guesthouse, not Sonny.

They also say that the person Sonny says was the last person to phone Dave before his disappearance is in dire financial straits.

Lots of police are now involved both locally and internationally but you probably know that, including Australian Federal Police."

It was a week now since I first began dealing with Thayer and since then my energy, time, and e-mails seemed to be dominated with trying to manage Thayer's ego in a constructive way, but also finding it necessary to defend myself and my role in the investigation from his bizarre attempts to discredit and freeze me out. He was taking my time away from the most important issue on hand, finding Dave. Thayer was becoming a bigger obstacle than the disappearance of Dave! It was extraordinary how crazy things were becoming since Thayer became involved.  And of course, ironically, Thayer was accusing me of the same thing.

All I can say in the end, in my 'he-said; she said;' defence, if necessary, my e-mails confirm that throughout this period I urged our investigation to be professional, and inclusive of Thayer, and that we pool and share our investigative data. I actually defended Thayer, because on the outside chance it might be best for Dave if Thayer continued to be involved. It was all about Dave.  Thayer took the opposite position, that he monopolize the investigation and its data exclusively.  He eliminated one by one, beginning with the private investigator Peter Slade [see Page 8 ] people who he saw as "rivals" and was now working his way through to eliminating the Edmonton Police and me as his remaining rivals.  Thayer's motives I can only speculate on.  It could have been a pathological paranoia inherent in his character, it could be a reaction to his corporate rape by ABC TV on his Pol Pot story [see Page 10], or it could have been something as simple as Thayer's need to redeem himself from his obscurity as "Cambodia Man" with an exclusive new story how he alone solved the mystery of Dave Walker's disappearance.  All his talk of "confidentiality agreements" kept hinting that Thayer was concerned about Dave's disappearance not being necessarily solved, but only solved by him exclusively as his news scoop, and he was going to bind this story with "confidentiality agreements." It was absurd.

In the meantime, other issues were being dealt with by Tammy Madon and myself as Cambodian authorities kept moving forward with their unrolling investigation. Now we were receiving information that the Cambodian police had taken Sonny into "protective custody" and that the authorities were now ready to search Dave's room for evidence--four weeks after his disappearance!


Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 6:59pm EST

XXXXX just called me. Police asking xxxx about xxxxxxxxxxxxx. And they phoned me too today about xxxxxxxxxxx. So something is connected to xxxxxxxx or to the xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx. x

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 7:26pm EST

Jim let me know that he talked to Nate finally! It took me 18 hours just to get him to do something that he should have done right away when asked. So I hope that is now set, and am ready for whatever comes away next. Unless police are advising you otherwise, at this moment we should just hush up and let them do their job. I think Edmonton Police are doing a wonderful job considering it is not officially an investigation.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 8:40pm EST

Jim told me he talked to xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 8:52pm EST

Yeah, and XXXXXXX and I talked, we firmed up better some of those dates by the places we remembered Dave xxxxxxxxxx. He could have actually xxxxxxxxxxxx  as early as xxxxxxxxx we both realized.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 9:13pm EST

My last e-mail to Nate was thanking him for talking to Jim Guerney. And all the best from me personally. You deal with him. But let me know. You know this could be hours or days - hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 9:14pm EST

I know. I have this feeling like we are going to get some sort of news.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 9:17pm EST

What did Jim say was happening?

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 9:19pm EST

He said not to read too much into the Cambodians asking questions about xxxxxxxxxxxxxx  ....He wanted to know if I knew about any xxxxxxxxxx . I did not hear back from the bank today on the transactional records. Possibly tomorrow.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 11:22pm EST

Sonny wants you to phone him.  You know, you probably should. Hear what he has to say. 
He is only "statistically" a likely suspect. Same time he could be the friend Dave deserved. There is something providential about everything we have been doing.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 11:31pm EST

I'm talking to the cambodian lawyer [Bradley Gordon] right now. I'm talked out today. And sonny wants to talk now ?. 18 days after the disappearance. Seems odd. I can try to call him but tomorrow. I spoke to the lawyer. He is going to offer help in legal matters and put a team together if we need in Cambodia.

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 11:35pm EST

This is what I just got from a source in Siem Reap:  "Hope your direction in Edmonton is moving well. Have learnt here that fires have been lit under police due to pressure and that the military police are now very gungho. They say they were first contacted by the guesthouse, not Sonny. They also say that the person Sonny says was the last person to phone Dave before his disappearance is in dire financial straits. Lots of police are now involved both locally and internationally but you probably know that, including Australian Federal Police."

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 11:40pm EST

Where was this [printed]. Was this an email?

Peter Vronsky
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 11:40pm EST

Yes. A private e-mail. Funny how as soon as I said things felt providential, that e-mail dings in !!!!

We have been doing everything we can. I feel at rest with that.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Monday, March 3, 2014 at 11:43pm EST

Me too.

Peter Vronsky
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 9:44am EST

My guy in Siem Reap says police have taken Sonny into protective custody. Arrested without charging.

Peter Vronsky
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 11:18am EST

I am fifty-fifty on Sonny. I keep hoping he is the friend Dave deserved. If true that guest house and not Sonny reported Dave missing first, it could only mean that Sonny thought he was first. He might not have known the guest house reported. BUT Sonny is the partner, and obviously had most to gain. But how could SONNY extort money from DAVE and then let him live? Have no idea why we are being told that police in Cambodian think Dave is alive. I am trying to keep my source feeding me what he knows, but its now after 11 PM in Cambodia, they are all going to bed...   Statistically, if I was profiling this, SONNY is suspect No. 1

Peter Vronsky
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 1:09pm EST

I shared this info with Nate just in case he had something going on there. I presume Nate with his contacts in Cambodia know even more than I do, but just in case I though Nate should know. I warned him I don't know how reliable this information is. I let Jim at Edmonton PD know as well.

Nate has not responded. And may not. But at least he knows what I know here.

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 2:21pm EST

Jim got a call from cambodia asking me to send a letter to authorize a search of Dave's room.

Peter Vronsky
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 2:25pm EST

About time!

Outrageous that they need authorization from you... that they would not do it on all the "probable cause" they already had TWO DAYS after Dave vanished. But its Cambodia...

My hope is they already searched the room but want your permission to dot the i's and cross the t's in the future. If this is a serious investigation that seems to have been ongoing for days, how could then not have searched the room?

Tammy Wallbridge-Madon
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 2:35pm EST

Yeah and sonny had full access

Peter Vronsky
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 3:22pm EST

Yeah. Dave's e-mails at least, no matter what Sonny does, even if he has access to Dave's e-mail account, will always be stored for years with the e-mail company, and police can get access. The hard files on Dave's computer is another story.

The hard files on Dave's computer, if Sonny "deleted" them can be expertly restored. Unless he took out the entire hard disk and destroyed it, but that would be pretty damning of him. But he cannot "alter" the info to mislead. That he would not get away with.


Meeting with CSIS

My meeting with CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) in the meantime, was a complete washout. It was set up in a public place, a coffee shop.  When I arrived early just before 4:00 PM,, the CSIS officer was already there sitting comfortably at a table positioned in the window of the coffee shop.  When I sat down at the only available chair at her table, I found myself facing out into the street blinded by sunlight streaming through the window while she was comfortably seated in the shade. After a few seconds, I moved the chair to another side of the table to get out of the sunlight, turning my face sideways to the window and the street.  I could almost hear the camera shutters clicking from the van parked across the street from the coffee shop:  first my full face shot as I sat down facing the street: click-click-click; and then my profile as I moved to the side out of the bright sunlight: Click-click-click.  Nicely done, before I even realized what was going on. Slick. Our conversation was probably being recorded as well. 

There was no question that Dave was their asset, perhaps even a paid contractor but "between the lines" I got a sense that this was very old history. Dave was not recently in contact with them. CSIS's main concern was their operational security on anything that Dave Walker had been doing for them.  Their primary concern was whether I had told the press about Dave's links with CSIS.  I had actually considered doing that, because Dave as a Canadian middle-aged single male missing in Cambodia was not really a high priority news story for the media.  His secret CSIS work on Khmer Rouge infiltrators could be a hook for the media to pay attention to his disappearance in Cambodia.  Very early in the first week, I had discussed this question with Richard Ehrlich and he wisely advised that I not release this information to the media, because if Dave was indeed being held alive, his connections to an intelligence agency might make the situation worse for him.  I kept the information to myself and Tammy Madon, who apparently knew about Dave's CSIS work as well or at least was not surprised by it.

I told CSIS that not knowing whether Dave was being held captive or not, I had kept that information from the media but that if I thought it necessary, I would make it public.  Asking me not to, CSIS then asked me an extraordinary thing: that I withhold this information not only from the media, but also from Canada Foreign Affairs and from the Edmonton Police Service on the grounds of CSIS operational security.  They assured me that CSIS is working actively Dave's strange disappearance and that when they had something, CSIS will get in touch with both Foreign Affairs and Edmonton Police about it.  For the moment, I complied with their request and withheld Dave's connections to CSIS and Cambodian refugee issues from Foreign Affairs and the Edmonton Police.


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